Cambodia and Vietnam 2009

Cambodia and Vietnam 2009

Henning has planned and the tour guides to Cambodia and Vietnam, 1 April - 8 May 2009 and uses contacts from previous visit to Cambodia /Vietnam. Participants are Hans, Ingelise, Anne Grethe, Kaj, Ingrid, Svend, Inge Lise, John, Jens Erik and Henning. Jens Erik writes the journal.

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Wednesday 1 /4 - Copenhagen> aircraft> Bangkok.
Departure Copenhagen with Thai Airways TG0951 kl. 14.30

Thursday 2 /4 - Bangkok> fly> Cambodia - Phnom Penh.
Departure from Bangkok kl. ca. 18 to Phnom Penh, Cambodia hovedstad.Ankomst at. ca.19. Sambath, Ratha and Sarun fetch us at the airport and drive us to our hotel Royal Star, located right next to the Ton le Sap River, close to King Palace. We have allocated rooms, relax. Sambath doing a program for us.

Friday 3 /4 - Phnom Penh.
We eat breakfast at the top of the hotel overlooking the river - Departure at. 8.00. We must in the country to Sambaths and Rathas village. We visit Sambaths younger brother's farm "Sambo". After a small circular view, we are up on a small hill with a great view. Here is a Pagode and living some monks. Sambath tells little about pagodas. Afterwards we visit a school below the mountain. I hope it is open, although it is the day before the last day of the year. Lunch takes us on the floor in a small dining room. Afterwards, we need to the village and share clothes off. It is now 4 time we do it. We are now running back to Phnom Penh, so we must relax and possibly. Blind massage. Dinner in town.

Saturday 4 /4 - Phnom Penh.
Breakfast in the top of the hotel. Sambath fetch us at. 8.30.Vi to look royal palace and then Tocul Sleng Museum, this was her Pol Pot tortured and killed, a large proportion of the 2 mill. he executed. We take a stop by the large Russian market. We are approx. 1 hour, then it's time for lunch. Last stop is the big Pagode Wat Phrom, which lie in the disputed city. Back to the hotel - perhaps a massage. Outdoor dining with Sambaths mother Sarum.

Sunday 5 /4 - Phnom> go 5 hours> Siem riep.
up early. The boat sails at. 7.00, so at breakfast. 6.00. We take Tuk Tuk from the hotel to the boat. There are many who will help us in the boat - nice but not free of charge - usually $ 1 per. suitcase. There are different types of boats - all with room below deck, but many prefer to sit up in the open air. Remember water. It is a hot trip. There is at this time of year is not much water in the river, so our fast boat can not go through to the width. We must omlæsses in smaller boats, it may seem chaotic, but when both ends all the same place, making it less if you are in the same boat as your suitcase. By breadth, there are again many helpers, but it costs. Here are waiting for a taxi trunks and tuk tuk to us. The first km is on the river bottom - very uneven. We lived in a hotel Mandalay Inn. We are out. If I feel like we can at. 16 go to see the sunset over Angkor Wat, very popular, costing approx. 3 $ for a taxi. We climb a small hill with good views. The first time I tried in 2000 was approx. 200 people, now approx. 4000. It requires little effort to get up there, but have been easier since the beginning of 2007. Kl.18.00 when the sun went down, we drive back to Siem Reap and eat dinner.

Monday 6 /4 - Cambodia - Siem Reap.
up early. We need to see sunrise over Angkor Wat, again very popular. We drive from Mandalay Inn kl. 05.00 tomorrow. In Angkor Wat, we sit and wait for the sun to get up at. 06.00. Then we eat breakfast at Angkor. We have breakfast at the hotel, but there is far to the hotel and go back to Angkor. So I usually have the system that I pay half of your breakfast. After breakfast we drive to Angkor Thom. The royal city with fine temples. First stop: We walk through the gateway to Angkor Thom. We drive to Bayonet Temple. A temple with many faces. Here we can also be predicted for a cheap price. We now come to the royal palace. We enter the back door, but before we see a very large Hindu temple that has been under restoration the past 10 years, but there is at least 10 years before it is finished. So we come to the royal palace, which is very overdue. We see King Kong Park with 2 swimming pools, ending with the place where the big elephant fights took place. Now we find our Tuk Tuk motorcycles. We need to Ta Phrom temple with the big trees. Now we have lunch, at close to 12 noon. Then last visit, the largest temple of Angkor Wat. Some historical stuff. Here in Angkor lived more than 1 million people for 1000 years ago, for comparison lived in Paris 20000. Same size as the Imperial Palace Bejing, China. There have been as many stones as Cheops pyramid in Egypt. After this visit back to the hotel where we are at. 15.41. We meet at noon to resign. 20.00 It is Mandalay Inn. Before this time for blind massage or massage. Our guide Chhair come and eat with us. He has his wife and 2 children. My previous guide Sophal also and she takes as a guest to Vietnam.

Tuesday 7 /4 - Cambodia> aircraft> Saigon
Day of departure, but first we must see many things. We drive from Mandalay Inn kl. 08.00. We take our tuk tuk. First stop a temple built in memory of the victims after Pol Pot. We call it a Killing Fields Temple. There are also boarding school. If there are students at home, we see their homes. Now we have Chhier's wife with that we see her Internet cafe, she takes us to her home. We see the home, their special pets, crocodiles. On the way back to Mandalay Inn visit our tuk tuk leader's home. It is also here Saphal boer.Tilbage at the hotel there is time for a shower, so we are ready for the flight to Vietnam. We have to fly at. 13.30 in Ho Chi Minh City = Saigon kl. 14.30. Here awaits a taxi that runs us to the hotel. We go out to eat at. 19.30.

Wednesday 8 /4 - Saigon> train> Da Nang We must
up early and have a great program. All trunks must be down to my room in the morning. When we get home from the trip can be bad before we eat at noon. 20.00 We drive from the hotel at. 06.46. First stop Chu Chi tunnels built by the Vietcong, start under the French, but significantly larger than during the U.S. occupation. There are approx. 250 km tunnels. Next stop Cao Dai, a religious movement, which is an amalgam of Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity. We must be at Tay Ninh. 12.00. Here begins the great influx. When we took pictures, we eat lunch in Tay Ninh. We drive back to Saigon and make a small stop outside the former præsidentpalads, we can not reach to get into, but there may be photographed outside. It was here a North Vietnamese tank drove through the lattice door, when the war was over 30 /4 1975. 20 years of suffering had ended, and now have to rebuild the country. However, there were many problems in the beginning. Pol Pot from Cambodia occupied part of Sydvietnam. He believed that Vietnam was very weak. There are many Khmer who is Cambodian in southern provinces. It took a month, as Vietnam had devoted Pol Pot. This led the Chinese to turn out in the northern province of Lao Cai. Chinese smashed across Lao Cai before the Chinese Vietnamese were driven back. Now came a new congestion times for Vietnam. U.S. got the world to boycott all goods from Vietnam. There was great famine. It was at this time, all the boat people came to Denmark 1980-90. Today there is a market economy in Vietnam. Vietnam has the second largest growth rate in the world, second only to China. The growth rate in Vietnam is over 10% - in Denmark, approx. 2.5%. Vietnam is emerging. After the dust is washed by going out and we eat at. 20.00. We drive from the hotel at. 22.00 - The train goes at. 23.00. Remember
plastic mug!

Thursday 9 /4 - Train> Da Nang.> Hoi An
We can sleep almost as long as we want. There will be modest breakfast and lunch. It is not the great sus. We take what we like. At one end of the train, there is a canteen. Take a walk through the train, there are many cars. We can see how the landscape exchanger. Between kl. 13.00 and 14.00, we are in Da Nang. Thuy Phuc and download our station. Our suitcases will be driven to Hotel Hai Yen. On the way to Hoi An we visit Marble mountain. There are many steps up - but more beautiful temples. These temples were built by Emperor Ming manganese. His mausoleum, we see 16 /4 in Hue. In Hoi An we will have all rooms and rents bicycles. We meet kl.20 and bicycles going to eat.

Friday 10 /4 - Hoi An.
We are running at. 8.30 for the Village of Hope, disability school with many hearing impaired. We need to Da Nang. This is where Chau, Phuc, Do Thoc and go to school - all sponsored by the Danish. Chau is now 15 years. I have paid her special education since she was 5 years. We eat lunch with the children. Back in Hoi An, I have made an agreement with tailor Bui, so she is ready and we bicycle to silversmith Phi and his wife Thao. If there is interest we can also visit a silkevæveri. Here, a guide shows us around. Finally a trip to the beach 3 km away. Dinner in the city kl. 20.

Saturday 11 /4 - Hoi An
bike ride. We start from the hotel at. 9.00 and bicycles down to the port, increasing aboard one of the boats incl. bicycles. A voyage in 12 minutes. We get off at both the yard look a træskæreri. We bicycles around the small islands. It can be difficult to navigate if we do not have a local with. It is an exciting trip, here comes almost never tourists. We are back in Hoi An between 12.00 and 01.00. Now we have lunch. Then we drive to the office where you can buy tickets to cultural sites in the inner city, costing 75.000VD it is ca.25kr. and covers 5 sites. The afternoon is free to the beach, swimming pool, tøjprøvning or otherwise. Kl. 20, there is celebration dinner at the hotel Hai Yen. All we know Hoi An invited, we are between 30 and 40 Here we will try our singing voices.

Sunday 12 /4 - Hoi An
For those who want to run and fly at us. 09.00 to an island, Cham Island, off the Hoi An, ca. 20 km. We see the city where there are almost no tourists. After bybesøg we take a Robinson Krusoe beach, where we bathe. You can dress on the beach. We will have lunch, which is included in the ticket is $ 20 = approx. 110 DKK We are at home again. 16.00. Dinner in town.

Monday 13 /4 - Hoi An
Easy bike ride around in Hoi An and its immediate area. We drive from the hotel at. 9.00. I would particularly show you the humble place "Rose" where the royal family ate lunch in 1998. Lunch at. 12. Afternoon freely available to the cultural sites, or otherwise. Dinner in town.

Tuesday 14 /4 - Hoi An
Holiday. However, I have a proposal for a formiddagstur. One of my friends are dir. for a large hotel on the beach. Remember to get clothes, silver and possibly purchase. sleepingbag. Dinner in town.

Wednesday 15 /4 - Hoi An> car> Hue
We need to Hue. We drive from Hai Yen kl. 7.30. There are approx. 145 km. We drive through Da Nang, taking over Hawan passport and are in Hue approx. kl. 11. Accommodation at hotel Hoa Hung. We at bikes. 12.30 for lunch on deaf restaurant, then visit Royal Palace Dai Noi, and if there is time, visits to the large market. Kl. 20.00 cycles we like and eat well in an exciting restaurant with music and many dishes of food. Back at the hotel if necessary. a drink - but we need up early!

Thursday 16 /4 - Hue> train> Hanoi
Breakfast kl. 6.00 - then all the suitcases into my room. We need to go out on Odoriferous The River, Song h??ng. We start from the hotel at. 7.00 and must be cycling 1,750 m to our boat, we take bicycles on board. We sail along Odoriferous The river. First stop Thien Mu Pagode, a peaceful place. Became known throughout the world, it was here a monk drove in his car to Saigon, drove up in front of the presidential palace, went out at the site, poured gasoline over themselves, lit fire to it. The picture went around the world, it was in 1963. The war was a turning point. It was President Diem case, public opinion turned against the war in both the U.S. and Europe. At that time there were approx. 750,000 Allied soldiers in Vietnam. Now everything breathes peace and idyl. Next stop Minh mausoleum manganese, a very beautiful mausoleum in a beautiful park, a place many go to the excursion. Now we are sailing across the river, here we need the bikes that are around. 3 km up to Khai Dinh mausoleum, a completely different mausoleum. Here are the raw rock masses and a lot of stairs. But a splendid mausoleum with many mosaics. Here is a good view from the top. Back to the boat. There are 2 options, one can ride back to Hue or fly. Those who take the boat comes around. 45 minutes later than us who bicycles. Those who will go to have bicycles on board. We need everyone on board, now we have lunch on board. On the boat can be purchased silk - one of the good places to purchase! Now we are back to bicycles around Hue. 10 km or are sailed home. Buy a little palatable to the train - we need to Hanoi and the train goes at. ca. 16.30. Remember
again sleeping bags and plastic mug!

Friday 17 /4 - Hanoi
Arrival Hanoi early morning, remember all the fittings. This time, there is no hurry. We need to get taxi to hotel Camilia 4, 44 Hang Gaiy. When we reach the hotel, we have rooms. It is not certain we can get rooms as early (before kl. 6), which sleeps someone in them. We take breakfast. I do a little walking tour our doorstep and around Hoan kiem Lake - The most crucial point in Hanoi. On the way do I order cycles - Kl.ca.9 should we test our ability to ride, watch, learn Vietnamese bicycle style. I will do what I can to teach you technique. It may look bad, but it comes to understanding the way you do it and not say, "driving crazy". Forget all Danish rules and learn some practical rules. Rule: Click what you want, not undo, highlight what you are doing. If you are passing other bicycles and motorcycles, select what you want. Sometimes close to swing, run almost the wrong side, so there will be as few passengers as possible. After cycling relax we know Hoan kiem Lake. When we are back at the hotel would be ready. We now come to Little Hanoi, where we eat lunch. The rest of the day free. Dinner at. 20.00 in the city.

Thursday 18 /4 - Hanoi. We
to visit Ho Chi Minh mausoleum. Running away at. 8.00. Remember long trousers. After a tour of the park, where we visit Ho Chi Minh's residence. At the end the very famous Pagode, the Etbenede Pagode, Chua Mot Cot, brief visit to Ho Chi Minh museum. Now we have bikes to the old university called Literature Museum. We eat lunch near the museum. On the way back to the hotel, I buy tickets for the water theater. We see the performance end of the day. The rest of the day free. Bikes must be returned, however, since we do not need them tomorrow. Dinner at. 20.00.

Sunday 19 /4 - Hanoi - Hennings Birthday.
I have rented a car. We need to look modern Hanoi and a 1000 year old Pagode, Sai Temple. I hope Thuy is with us. Lunch at a Vietnamese restaurant. In the afternoon the Ethnic Museum - an open-air museum with a large indoor section. I have 2 hours of here. Birthday Dinner at the lake. We go from the hotel at. 19. Remember tomorrow start our tours - the first of May Chau. We package our håndbagage.Vigtige things: Regnslag, lamp sleepingbag and toiletries and clothes for 2 nights (3 days). The large suitcase to be down at reception, where there is a place for it. Remember to settle minibar.

Monday 20 /4 - Hanoi> car> May Chau - Ban Lachs.
Departure at the hotel. 7.00. There are 145 km to May Chau valley. In the outskirts of Hanoi we visit a silk factory. There is possibility to buy silk and finished off the roll. We see here from silk cocoon to finished products. The trip now move to Hoa Binh, the city with the great power that we look first at the home road. In Hoa Binh we drive on the left to Son La. It is mountain driving straight to May Chau. The village we live in, Ban lachen, composed of farmers. As a sideline doing these families ethnic clothes and things for tourists and serve as guest houses. We live in the house No 1 in Hoa right next to the paddy fields. Where to find one of the many ethnic groups - there are 54 in Vietnam. These are white Thai. They emigrated 300 years ago and found themselves in this valley. Almost everyone can all speak and write Thai and also Vietnamese - many also in English. When we arrive, we lived on the 1st floor. We want the first day do a little bike ride. Cycles, we have in the car from Hanoi. It will be a trip on small paths through several villages. Before cycles, we've eaten lunch. Hoa and her husband are doing some of the best food in the village. After dinner we can go for a walk in the village before we take a beer or coffee on the 1st floor terrace.

Tuesday 21 /4 - Ban Lachs. We
bikes from the village at. 8.00. We will visit a school, located approx. 10 km from Ban Lachs. A tough outward journey, with many increases, we must withdraw. It will be easy on the return journey, where you must remember to brake, so the move should not be too violent. It is now 10 years I visit the school. Kl. 12.30, there is lunch, and kl.15.00 do we have a bike ride, an incredibly beautiful ride, maybe a little difficult. In some places we have cycles. Why make such a trip? Because it is incredibly beautiful. We eat at noon. 19.30. Tonight will be the village dances for us many ancient dance. We try too!. It takes place at Hoa's sister Thu. She is a very skilled weaver, as the Vietnamese government uses when displaying ethnic arts abroad. Coffee or similar on the 1st floor terrace.

Wednesday 22 /4 - Ban Lachs> car> Hanoi.
We must return to Hanoi and running kl.7.30. We say goodbye to Hoa and Thu. First stop on the return journey will the plant in Hoa Binh. Then it goes to Hanoi, where we arrived at lunchtime. Afternoon free. Dinner in town.

Thursday 23 /4 - Hanoi> car - 400km> Sa Pa.
Departure to Sa Pa kl.5.00 tomorrow. We take a little breakfast with. While we can get breakfast Vietnamese Pho. It's a long trip on bad roads. We are first in Sa Pa between kl.17.00 and kl.18.00. Lunch on the way before we get Loa Cai - the last 10 km we drive along the Chinese border. We make little stay at the border station. From here there are 38 km up to Sa Pa, located in 1700 m altitude. We accommodation at the Hotel Lotus. Dinner at a restaurant Mimose.

Friday 24 /4 - Sa Pa.
Here are 2 options: Visit to a flower park, located on the highest point in Sa Pa. There is a fantastic view. Lunch in the city - or a hard treking trip down the mountain with lunch and local guide. Drinks can be bought en route. The first km on the road - the rest of the terrain. You can buy bamboo sticks along the way, "a good idea." Many ethnic women watching us and help if we wish. The trip passes through many ethnic villages - Black Mong, Seid and Red Dzau. When we get to the bottom will Kkao provide motorcycles with driver for repatriation (1-2 $ = 5-10kr.).
Dinner in Sa Pa.

Saturday 25 /4 - Sa Pa
Kl. 9.00, we need to visit a Red Dzau village. It lies 10 km from Sa Pa. When we arrive, there are many who want to sell to us. They follow us around the whole village. When we go over paddy fields, it is nice to have a hand from a Red Dzau. We are in Breakwater. Buy now not too early. The vendors will follow. We drive back to the hotel, goes up on the market, where phung Dung and her mother Luyen has made lunch for us U.S. $ 3 + drinks. I pay, we calculate later. After lunch we will visit a Black Mong village, Cat Cat. We walk down the hill. We make a stop at one of the huts. We must enter and see how they live. When we see a small waterfall and a suspension bridge, we reached the bottom. So we walk across a few kilometers. Here awaits a motorcycle to each, which runs us back to the market. Kl.20.00 we eat in the city. After dinner, we look at life on the market incl. "Love the market in front of the church. We must up early.

Sunday 26 /4 - Sa Pa> car 80 km> Bac Ha
Start 6:30. Farewell Sa Pa. Now we Bac Ha. Once we got our rooms at Hotel So in May, we are in the market. It is Nordvietnams largest ethnic groups - 80% Flaver Mong, slightly Ha Tay and Bac Dzau. Here are many more than 50 kilometers in buses or trucks. It sold everything. Tourists are much in the minority. There are many restaurants for the local population - and a few tourists. We agreements when we meet for lunch. Next trip will be at. 14.00. We take a walk up the hill through plum orchards and visit a musician named Mr. Ho and taste his corn whiskey. It is a beautiful trip, duration approx. 2 hours. If I orker more, I will take you a trip to a Tay family. It is a trip to the opposite side. Take, if you want, duration 1 ½ hours. Dinner at the hotel. Now we have 2 options: Either we stay at the hotel and takes place tomorrow morning at. 6.30 - and a 11-12 hour bus ride back to Hanoi. - Or, our bus driving us to Lao Cai, and we take the night to Hanoi. Arrival at. 6 in the morning. The train will cost $ 25 = £ 25 We have such a day more in Hanoi.

Monday 27 /4 - Bac Ha> car> Hanoi - or Hanoi
- if we choose bus, running at us. 6.30 and is in Hanoi at. 17-18. Dinner in town
- If we elect night, we are in Hanoi at. 6 and I make a program. Dinner in town.

Tuesday 28 /4 - Hanoi
We drive from the hotel at. 8.00. We drive first to the museum of art. We are a fast crawl. Now, it is 15km bike ride West Lake, Two Tay around when we visit a much visited pagodas. In the festival, there will be many thousands. Here we only third round, so there is a lot to do. We are home at the hotel. 12:10, where we eat lunch. Afternoon free.

Wednesday 29 /4 - Hanoi> car /bike> Tam coc
We must go to Ninn Binh kl. 7.00. We drive to a small fishing Kinga where not many tourists. After a short boat trip, we eat lunch here. Then we drive to Hoa luu. It was Vietnam's first capital. This led King Lee 800-900 Vietnam in the figure. Our khoa can tell much about this king. We see the 2 famous pagodas. Here are again 2 options: Running with the car for Tam coc - or rent bicycles and pedal around. 10 km of beautiful surroundings to Tam coc - where we are accommodated at the hotel. Dinner at the hotel.

Thursday 30 /4 - Tam coc> car> Phu Cu> car> Hanoi.
After breakfast, sail in small boats through 3 mountain caves, - 2 in each boat -1 hours off and 1 hour back. Lunch at the hotel. We are now running from Hung Yen province and the village of Phu Cu. Here we visit my other cards adoptivdatter Huy, 27 years, her parents-in-law's house. She is a schoolteacher and her husband is military and work far from home. Then we'll run to her childhood home, where we eat dinner in the courtyard and again testing our singing voices. After lunch back to Hanoi.

Friday 1 /5 - Hanoi
We start from the hotel at. 9 with a smaller bike ride to the Army Museum - and after lunch - a small bicycle tour around Hanoi.
afternoon free. Dinner in town

Saturday 2 /5 - Hanoi
Holiday. Dinner in town.

Sunday 3 /5 - Hanoi
kl.9.00 We drive to a new center for wood carving. It lies just outside Hanoi and is supported by the Danish government and Danida. Lunch near the hotel and dinner in town.

Monday 4 /5 - Hanoi> car /sail> Cat Ba
We drive from the hotel kl.7.00, we must out and sail on Ha Long Bay. On the way we visit but only a center meds many disabled people - especially the hearing impaired who are affected by their parents of the U.S. orange married. It was here Oanh worked before I had sent her to school. She had until then never received the due his disability. På dette tidspunkt, har I sikkert mødt denne glade og positive pige. Når vi når Ha Long skifter vi bilen ud med en båd, som sejler os til Cat Ba. Vi spiser frokost om bord og besøger en flot drypstensgrotte. Khao fortæller om grotten. I Cat Ba indkvarteres vi og har tid til hvil. Kl. 20 sejler vi ud til en restaurant på vandet. Der er fisk/skaldyr på menuen.

Tirsdag 5/5 – Cat Ba
We take on a slightly strenuous trekking - kl.8 running away. We start out in the terrain. During a stopover in bee-keeper, where we can get a refreshment. Kl.ca.12 when we arrive at a bay where a small "boat" sail us out to a larger. Alternatively, you can take the boat out and run for water managers. On the boat served lunch for ca.3 $ = ca. 15 DKK plus drinks. Then we sail to a beach on an island where the living monkeys - the only place in Ha Long Bay. When we do not want to shower more sail back to Cat Ba town. We eat in the city.

Tuesday 6 /5 - Cat Ba
This must be a afslapningsdag - we can sail in small boats in the harbor and go to the beach. Dinner in town the last of Cat Ba and in Vietnam.

Wednesday 7 /5 - Cat Ba> fly /car> Hanoi> Fly> Bangkok
We shall very soon up and back to Hanoi. We sail from Cat Ba in Ha Long. Here comes our car and retrieve us. On the way we make a stop at a ceramics factory. It is here Thuy's mother works. You can see the manufacture and purchase - if there is room in the suitcase .... We are in the hotel kl.ca. .15. I have rented a room where we can take bath at the break. Departure from the hotel kl.17.00 to the airport. Departure to Bangkok kl.ca. 20.30, and expected arrival at. 22.30

Thursday 8 /5 - Bangkok> fly> Copenhagen
After midnight we fly to Copenhagen ..

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Yuo have to pay lunch + drink.
Extra tour Siem Reap around sunset. 3 U.S. $
Breakfast 16 /4, half. - Sunrise
Visa Vietnam Cambodia 20 U.S. $.
Extra Tour Champ Island 20 U.S. $
Motorcycles with driver U.S. $ 1-2 per. trip.
Evt. Night Loa Cai - Hanoi 25 U.S. $.
Taxi extra dinners, we share 1 /10 each.
Flowers or donations. We pay 1 /10 each.
Tips for guides.
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